Weight on the hand in Trikonasana

topic posted Sat, May 5, 2007 - 10:06 AM by  Curry
This has been an area of interest to me. I even did a survey bringing a scale to yoga classes.
My understanding is that in Iyengar Yoga there is a "small" amount of weight in the hand in Utthita Trikonasana.
I have noticed that in Iyengar Yoga all of the side extended standing asana have a connection to the ground.
So the question is what is the nature of this connection. Try this. Without looking down, place your hand or block on a scale.
When doing your normal Trikonasana, look down to see the
weight in your hand. Do the second side. Note your weights.
Mine were not what I thought they would be.
Anyone take measurments, have comments, insights?

(I know in some yoga you pull up, still a connection)
posted by:
Curry
SF Bay Area
  • Re: Weight on the hand in Trikonasana

    Wed, June 13, 2007 - 2:20 PM
    In the lineage which I am studying, we often do a form of Trikonasana in which the hand does not touch the floor at all. The focus is on keeping the spine straight, opening the heart, and feet are a bit closer together than in the Krishnamacharya -derived styles like Iyengar.
    • Re: Weight on the hand in Trikonasana

      Wed, June 13, 2007 - 2:40 PM
      I have seen Trikonasana practiced with no connection.
      I assume you mean the hand does not connect with anything.
      Questions:
      What is the lineage?
      Why is there not a connection?
      Are the other side extended asana also without a connection?
      Any other information about this?
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      • Re: Weight on the hand in Trikonasana

        Tue, July 3, 2007 - 1:28 AM
        AH!

        --The lineage is through Bihar school, and Sivananda. My teacher, Dharmanidhi, studied under Satyananda, who studied under Sivananda.

        --The hand is not connected to the GROUND, as the focus is on keeping the spine straight, building core strength and generating HEAT. The lower hand IS connected; to the inside of the forward KNEE.

        --As this is a Northern style, it approaches breath and heat a little different from Southern yoga styles. At least that is how I was taught, and it certainly works. There is also a notion that most people, especially beginners, will not be able to both put a hand on the ground AND keep the spine straight.

        --The "High Himalayan Trikonasana" looks identical in every way to Iyengar's "Utthita Trikonasana", except the feet are closer together, the hips are shifted backward, and the wrist of the lower hand connects to the inside of the forward knee.
        • Re: Weight on the hand in Trikonasana

          Fri, July 6, 2007 - 9:23 AM
          Thank you for your reply.
          I see that there is a connection. Even in Iyengar yoga the connection is not always to the ground directly. Sometimes to a block or to the shin etc. Like you say "There is also a notion that most people, especially beginners, will not be able to both put a hand on the ground AND keep the spine straight. " On a good day I can put my finger tips on the ground. Otherwise I need to be up higher to keep a good extension of the spine. I know that some people go for the ground and loose the extension.
          It seems that we are very close in our practice.
  • Re: Weight on the hand in Trikonasana

    Tue, January 29, 2008 - 11:38 AM
    I am a certified Iyengar teacher. It is his teaching that all poses must be built from the foundation. So yes, you are correct that all of the side extended standing asanas have a connection to the ground in some manner. In this case, the foundation of Trikonasana is your legs - or the feet to be most specific. The feet and the legs direct the alignment in the pose. The hand is there to give you additional balance and extension. But it is the legs steering the body into the pose. The legs/feet are the rudder steering the ship -- if you will excuse the analogy.

    In trikonsana, there is a tremendous amount of upperward lifting. While parts of the feet are pressed down, you should have the knees & quads lifting up, the chest extending up. Thus, the weight on the hand is very little. And, eventually, it would be even weight regardless of which side you were working on.

    The hand should be placed high enough that you can get the feeling of extension, of height through the body. That means the fingers can be on block(s), chair or the leg. Often people can get their fingers the floor, but it is not recommended in the Iyengar system to go that far down until you have the understanding described above and the flexibility to demonstrate the understanding above. :)

    PS This is my personal understanding of the Iyengar system. Don't take it as gospel until you have tried it yourself.

    Its great that you are so mindful of this. How much weight did you find when you used the scale?
    • Re: Weight on the hand in Trikonasana

      Tue, January 29, 2008 - 8:23 PM
      Heather,
      My background is in Iyengar yoga, and I would agree with everything you said. Yes the legs are the foundation and the hand mostly there to help with extension. Yes the weight on the hand is very little. Your understanding of Iyengar yoga is the same as mine. No suprise.

      What I found with the scale, is that there was two groups. One was the almost zero to seven pounds and the other group was the fifteen to twenty two pounds. Most people were in one of these two groups. Also most people were either the same on both sides or within one or two pounds from side to side. The only people who were very different from side to side had an injury on one side.
      I am not sure what all this means, but it was an interesting project to do. I may do some more things with scales again.
      I was thinking about one scale under each foot in standing asana. That should be interesting.